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Secret God![]() |
OK, time to get all techy and carried away with an absurdly long answer. Most of the rare audio for the Enzology radio docos comes from cassette tapes belonging to the various members of the band, plus a few 1/4" open reels, DATs, CD-Rs, vinyl and VHS. There's been a variety of equipment and studios used since I began the project about seven years ago(!) The rare vinyl was played on a Technics SP-15 turntable with a Shure cartridge, through a very nice Apogee A/D converter, and onto the SADiE digital editing system at 44.1khz 16 bit. Some vinyl recordings were then denoised and declicked with Cedar to remove surface noise and scratches. They were then archived to CD-R. (These days I'd probably do that sort of processing at 96khz, 24 bit, if I was being picky.) The first batch of cassettes in 1999 were played on a Tascam 122 Mark II machine and plugged into the Apogee converter or straight into SADiE's own converters, depending on which studio I was in on the day. Unfortunately, at the time, I couldn't find a single cassette player that didn't have a fault of some sort. Very frustrating. A couple of years ago, RNZ replace those machines with new Tascam 122 Mark IIIs, which has made life much easier. The angle of the cassette player's head had to be adjusted for each side of each cassette to ensure azimuth accuracy. The audio tracking must be replayed exactly as it was recorded. This so often gets forgotten when major albums get remastered and can lead to the complete loss of high frequencies, especially when played back in mono, due to the left channel being slightly out of sync with the right. (For a particularly appalling example, listen to [I}The Instrumental[/I] on "Other Enz". If you can, have a listen to it in mono as well.) It was also very important do work out whether the recording was made with Dolby NR or not. Often the speed of the tapes was incorrect. Sometimes I noticed this at the time and adjusted the speed with the pitch control. At other times I've realised when compiling the programmes on SADiE. This has meant either changing the pitch on the CD player and loading it into SADiE via the analogue converter, or loading it in digitally and changing the speed with SADiE's internal resampler. Early on, I was denoising everything before archiving them onto CD-R. Soon, so many tapes were coming my way that I realised that it was too time consuming to do this. Plus, leaving the original sound with no processing meant more flexibilty later on. Today, I'm much less trigger-happy when it comes to denoising anyway. A bit of hiss never hurt anyone, really. Most of the cassette tapes played back with no problems, but a number of them were stuck fast. Over time, the glue that holds the magnetic oxide to the tape comes apart, the tape sticks to itself and the heads and guide become so clogged up, nothing moves. The usual way to fix this with open reels is to literally bake them in the oven to remove the moisture. I'd never done this before and didn't fancy melting precious Split Enz recordings by accident, so I loosened things up with alcohol. The exact process is a trade secret Alastair Riddell recently lent me an open reel tape of Orb playing live at Founders Theatre in Hamilton in 1972, with (Tony) Eddie Rayner on keyboards and Paul Crowther on drums. I went to play it on our big Otari MTR-10 tape machine, thinking I probably wouldn't get very far with the tape and it would be all gummed up. Surprisingly, it had held together very well over the last 32 years. But it ran at 3/34 ips, half the speed of the MTR-10's slowest setting, and was recorded on a domestic stereo reel-to-reel machine, which recorded tracks on the tape with a different spacing from professional machine heads. This meant locating the one and only machine left in RNZ capable of playing it. Just downstairs, luckily enough Some of the early dubs I made in 1998-99 were transferred from SADiE to DAT or to an HHB rackmount burner, but in the last few years I've used the PleXwriter attached to the SADiE PC. I mentioned azimuth correction earlier and adjusting the cassette playback head. On the occasions when I've been given CD-Rs or DATs with audio already dubbed from incorrectly lined-up cassettes and tapes, I've loaded the audio into SADiE and manually re-sync'ed the left and right waveforms. The Wellington studios of RNZ now have a digital azimuth corrector made by Cedar, but it's still quicker for me to manually adjust these things than to get that particular Cedar unit couriered to me. A couple of Neil's and Eddie's cassettes lent to me were recorded on 4-track recorders. As there were only a couple of sections I figured I'd be using in the radio programmes, I didn't bother tracking down a 4-track player and just loaded the tapes in into SADiE in stereo, with the second side playing backwards. I then reversed the backwards audio and carefully sync'ed up the tracks, using track and headphone leakage as a guide. Blah blah yack yack woof woof. Wish you hadn't asked? |
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Secret God |
Jaffaman,
I salute you -- amazing! |
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I am unbelievably impressed.
I always worry about things that have a historical importance not being restored using the best possible means at that time. But that sounds dead on. RE: NR - I agree with you about the hiss - I always keep 2 copies - One without NR, One with. You never know when a better algorithm will come along. That, and not having much access to Cedar does make it necessary in my case. As for manually syncing up things using spillage -Something I'm far too familiar with in the last week. (MIDI ports do tend to break down at crap times, like when you have very little time to mix an E.P recorded on a different system) Easy and quick to get roughly right. A pain in the ass to get perfect. Practice helps though... |
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Getting Somewhere![]() |
OMG
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Secret God![]() |
I've been working at RNZ for 17 years but have had a passion for records and audio in general since I was 1 or 2 years old. Like anything you're passionate about, you just learn bit by bit over time. And usually by accident. I did a lot of very experimental home cassette recording of skits, songs and weird noises when I was a kid in the '70s and '80s (using the same Sony cassette recorder model that Neil & Noel used as The Ninnies in 1978), so I learned to stretch basic audio gear beyond its limit. I still owe my parents for multiple repair jobs.
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Addicted![]() |
So Jaffa, sounds like you're a qualified sound engineer? Part of my Bmus was sound engineering, but don't have the $$ for the equipment and software
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Software? In my day, lad, it was all hardware
I guess I'm qualified. They haven't felt the need to sack me yet. I never did any audio engineering courses, so there's nothing on paper. My specialty is the editing and compilation of radio programmes in the studio. Music recording was a fun hobby at home (initially cassette to cassette bouncing, then later 4 track Portastudio recording and finally 8 track 1/4" reel) but I never took it up at work. Camus, I highly recommend radio as a place to develop your skills, whether it be commercial or non commercial. Fewer people to have to bow down to than TV, for one thing. With National Radio and Concert FM, I've occasionally been given the opportunity to make produce and present my own shows, which has been fun. Did the Composer of the Week/"Across The Universe" series for Concert FM on the Beatles in 1996, interviewed Sir George Martin in 1998 and co-presented a series of Classic Album programmes the same year, amongst others. The advantage of being an audio engineer is that, with programmes I produce, I have pretty much COMPLETE CONTROL!!! (Evil laugh FX here). Even when it's somone's else's programme, if I'm the person responsible for doing the final edit and mix, I feel like I'm having the last word... AND COMPLETE CONTROL!!!! (insert maniacal laugh FX here and loop for 15 secs). I seem to have gone off topic... |
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Secret God![]() |
If you've been interested in this topic, take a look at the online technical details for the just released Neil Young's Greatest Hits.
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Getting Somewhere |
And there I am sitting at home with my Pre-amped turntable from Dick Smith, and Technics tape deck from a component system at Noel Leemings, hooked up to my soundcard. I record the stuff using Sound Forge 4 and then run everything through Steinberg Clean 4 before burning it to CD.
I'm sure it doesn't come out as nice as you could get it, but it's not too bad. :-) It's good to see how the professionals do it! :-) |
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Secret God![]() |
Slightly different topic, but this seemed like the best place for it. Someone recently emailed me asking how and where I recorded the interviews for Enzology. In case it's of interest to others too, I'll repost my answer here:
The interviews were mostly recorded by me using a portable Tascam DA-P1 DAT recorder (at 44.1khz 16 bit) with an AKG C414 condensor microphone or Neumann U89 condensor microphone on the interviewee and an AKG C1000 on myself. An odd combination but I grabbed what was available. I also took a mini-disc recorder as a back-up but luckily didn't need it. These days we use Sound Device flash memory recorders on location, usually with a couple of lightweight omnidirectional Shure SM63 mics - unless a higher fidelity mic is required. My interviews: Hugh Padgham: 3-9-99, ISDN link to BBC Studio in London Paul Hester: 29-6-03 at his home in Melbourne Phil Judd: 30-6-03 at his home in Melbourne Noel Crombie: 1-7-03 at my hotel room, Melbourne Michael Gudinski: 1-7-03 at his office, Melbourne Nathan Brenner: 1-7-03 at his home, Melbourne Wally Wilkinson: 3-7-03 at his office, Melbourne Dave Russell: 4-7-03 at his home just out of Melbourne Nigel Griggs: 4-7-03 at his home just out of Melbourne Paul Crowther: 23-7-03 at his home in Auckland Eddie Rayner: 27-7-03, 17-8-03 & 31-8-03 at his home in Auckland David Tickle: 4-8-03, phone to his home in Hawaii Robert Gillies: 9-8-03 at his home in Auckland Geoff Chunn: 16-8-03 at his home in Auckland Mike Chunn: 27-8-03 & 28-8-03 at his home in Auckland Mal Green: 9-11-03, ISDN link to ABC Studio in Sydney Neil Finn: 11-11-03 & 20-11-03 at what later became Roundhead Studios in Auckland Tim Finn: 18-11-03 & 20-11-03 at his manager Brent Eccles' home in Auckland (we sat in Matt Eccles' betchadupa rehearsal shed out the back) Miles Golding: 23-11-03, phone to his home in the UK All the Melbourne interviews were recorded in one week in June-July 2003. Noel, Michael Gudinski and Nathan Brenner were recorded on the same day - and Nathan's interview was four hours long. Eddie later doubled that. I had planned to interview Mal at his home in Sydney but he ended up being stuck in London, so we spoke digitally in the end. Other interviews: Phil Manzanera: 1999, interviewed by Kaye Glamuzina on portable DAT in London Barry Coburn: 1999-ish, interviewed by Nick Bollinger in Radio NZ studio. A few bits and pieces were borrowed from archived Radio NZ interviews done by John Campbell, Todd Niall, Peter McIllwaine, Wayne Mowat, Andre Upston and others. Plus stuff from TVNZ, ABC, BBC, etc. All interviews were edited on SADiE and the programmes were compiled and mixed on SADiE in 2003 and 2004 (with slightly different versions edited in subsequent years for internet broadcast). |
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Wow, that was fascinating and yet I didn't understand much of it - just like 'Volare' by Dean Martin!
I love all the lingo and equipment names. Thanks Jaff, interesting as always. EDIT: And yet again, I've realised this discussion is old! Oh well, it's new to me. Gav Obama |
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I added the quote cause i am going off subject. But i assume you were always Auckland based Jaffaman ?. I have fond memories of Broadcasting House (RNZ, NZBC) Bowen Street Wellington. Back in the days of Malcolm Shipley (Shipley Shakes 2ZM, John Hood etc). In fact i remember doing my own taped show that was put to air on 2ZM, the producer was a young Midge Marsden. And to think they torn it down for a car park, that's progess. Avalon is a bit of a white elephant IMHO. ;-) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x326s8_kiwiana-kiwi-as-nzbc_shortfilms W.E. Care. |
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I've only been in Auckland the last eight years. Grew up in Wellington and worked at Broadcasting House from 1987 to 1997, then the new building on The Terrace for three years before shifting up here. At Broadcasting House we had numerous huge studios that are very much missed for recording bands, orchestras, drama, etc. We've got nothing like that now. And I'd love to have that echo chamber again. I recently chatted with Midge Marsden about his radio days. Fond memories. |
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Excellent. Then there was Dougal dropping the news in the gutter in Waring Taylor Street. Love his voice-over(s)...(Southland TV) and with Bruno. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3xm33_blerta-dance-al...ound-the-world_music W.E. Care. |
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Addicted |
Anorak God!
____________________ people hear what they see |
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Secret God![]() |
That's not Dougal Stevenson's voice in "Dance Around The World". It's Bill Stalker, an actor who was in Blerta briefly. He does sound very much like Dougal, though. |
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Secret God![]() |
Shhhh... sit down and stop your stirring... |
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Bill.......... W.E. Care. |
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Secret God![]() |
No, I wasn't, but I'll be at Saturday's Auckland show. |
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