So I have just (yeah I know) the remastered cd of Frenzy and I am now wondering about the different mixes of Give It A Whirl that Ive heard. The one on my remastered cd is quite different then the version that I am familiar with which is the version on the video. Whats the deal?

Also the song order on the original Frenzy is quite different. Also the first two songs on the remastered cds I have of Frenzy and True Colors are incorrect..... whats up with this?

Thanks for any help!

Yeah, the band were never satisfied with the original mix of Frenzy that Mushroom released in NZ/Australia in 1979. So when A&M belatedly issued Frenzy in the US/UK in 1982 it was remixed and featured a different track listing.

The 2006 remaster issued in NZ/Australia by Warner was was remixed and reshuffled yet again. Initial copies of the Warner release have the track listing printed incorrectly on the liner notes.

As to True Colours, it was originally released in NZ/Australia with Shark Attack as track #1 and I Got You as track #2. The two tracks were swapped around by A&M for the international release.

I hope this makes some sense

Thanks for the info!! So my next question is- is the mix of Give It A Whirl on the video (History Never Repeats VHS video compilation) the original Frenzy album release mix or is it the 1981 remix??
Also, am I to understand that in 2006 Eddie Raynor had the analog multi track tapes transfered to digital and then actually completely remixed these tracks on ALL the remastered Split Enz 2006 released cds or did he just have original two track stereo masters that he then remastered??

So then where can a I get a best possible quality copy of Give It A Whirl, the "video mix" version??

I have the remastered cds of Second Thoughts and Dizrythmia, the flip-case versions and love them... jewel case remastered cds of Frenzy and True Colors.....where the remastered versions of Frenzy and True Colors available as flip case versions??

Being an audio engineer I have quite a few questions about what Eddie did or didnt do with the remasterings....is there a FAQ regarding this topic or will someone be willing to tolerate my questions a couple years on after the remastered cds???

Thank you!!!!!

The video clip of Give It a Whirl is the original 1979 Mushroom Frenzy mix. The best place to pick up a copy of that particular mix would be the remastered compilation album Spellbound.

All the 2006 Warner remasters were originally released in digipak (cardboard) format and later in jewel case format. Frenzy and Waiata (Corroborree) were completely remixed due to the band's dissatisfaction with the original mixes - the other albums were simply remastered.

Jaffaman will probably be able to answer any technical questions about the remastering process.

I finally bought the Enz to Enz set this week (and got a very good deal I might add, under $75 CAN) and immediately noticed that I Walk Away is not on the See Ya 'Round disc, although Next Exit is included as a bonus track. Does anyone know why this would be? Was it not part of the original release in Australia?

I 'think' it is on there, just not listed on the sleeve. The other issue with SYR was that some copies had a remastered 'Mr Catalyst' instead of 'Next Exit'

http://frenzforum.com/eve/foru...201052043#5201052043

Right you are, Van. I almost had a heart attack due to it being missed, but it's the second track. Funny that it's not listed.

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Originally posted by Flicker:
Frenzy and Waiata (Corroborree) were completely remixed due to the band's dissatisfaction with the original mixes - the other albums were simply remastered.

If I remember correctly, one track on Frenzy (I recall someone saying it was Famous People, but to me it sounds more like it could be Master Plan) uses a completely different take to the original because Eddie couldn't locate the mastertape. Strictly speaking, therefore, this wouldn't be a remix.

As to Corroboree, I thought only three or four tracks were remixed but, again, I may be wrong.

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Originally posted by Paul H:

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Originally posted by Flicker:
Frenzy and Waiata (Corroborree) were completely remixed due to the band's dissatisfaction with the original mixes - the other albums were simply remastered.

If I remember correctly, one track on Frenzy (I recall someone saying it was Famous People, but to me it sounds more like it could be Master Plan) uses a completely different take to the original because Eddie couldn't locate the mastertape. Strictly speaking, therefore, this wouldn't be a remix.

As to Corroboree, I thought only three or four tracks were remixed but, again, I may be wrong.

The whole album's been completely remixed, I'm pretty sure of that. I don't know which verison I like better, the original Tickle mix is sounding very good to me at the moment, but I think as well it sounds a bit more 'dated' than Eddie's remix

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If I remember correctly, one track on Frenzy (I recall someone saying it was Famous People, but to me it sounds more like it could be Master Plan) uses a completely different take to the original because Eddie couldn't locate the mastertape. Strictly speaking, therefore, this wouldn't be a remix.

Both Famous People and Masterplan used totally different takes (and IMO vastly superior takes), though IIRC the multitrack of the originally released takes have been rediscovered after the event.

I Don't Wanna Dance from Corroboree also used a different take. Strictly speaking they are remixes of those alternate takes

Just now I compared the first 30 secs of the original Master Plan and its 2006 remix. They appear to originate from the same take. Same with I Don't Wanna Dance. Vastly different mixes, hence the confusion.

Famous People really is a different take though.

So are they different vocal takes on Masterplan and I Don't Wanna Dance? The vocals don't sound the same at all to me.

From what I can tell without sync'ing up the different versions and playing them side by side, the multi-tracks of both songs probably had at least two tracks of lead vocal.

The original mix of Master Plan had both passes mixed together, ie double-tracked. The 2006 remix is single tracked - most likely a "comp" of the best sections of each vocal take.

The vocals on the first 30 secs of both mixes of I Don't Wanna Dance sound very similar to me. Perhaps a bit more stable in the remix, which could be due to a Pro Tools pitch-fix or tiny sections substituted from another take. Or I'm just imagining things.

Thanks for the added info, Jaffaman. The veils of confusion are slowly lifting.

Not related, but I'm intrigued as to why Next Exit always sounded so bad. The remaster doesn't sound quite so bad, but the original master has a dreadful wobble that makes it sound like a poor dub off a tape with alignment issues (perhaps it was!). Is there a version (the single perhaps) that doesn't suffer from this? I can't believe that it would have been issued in such a poor state.

Yeah, the single's fine, if I remember correctly. Two of a Kind also had that gurgly sound on the Oddz and Enz CD, which is one reason why I used the much fuller-sounding 7" vinyl of that track in Enzology.

So now I need to track down a minty copy of Next Exit. For all its cheese, its truly one of my favourite Enz tracks and was, for no reason I can fathom, butchered on the remaster. Haystack, meet needle...

Good haystacks are Musicstack and Gemm ... the 7" mix of Next Exit was also featured on the Maiden Australia compilation LP.

Thank you for the headz up, Flicker. Needles duly found much more swiftly than I was anticipating.

Just listend to the Second Thoughts remastered CD. It sounds to me that "Stranger Than Fiction" and "Time For A Change"was remastered from vinyl (albeit very well). Listening to it through headphones I noticed some surface noise and some "clicks" normally associated with vinyl. Was this the case? Why was this done for those two tracks? Maybe the master tape on those cuts was damaged?

Also, where are the credits on the inside of the back page for See Ya Round? It only says it was remastered by Adrian and Eddie and gives photo credit to Alan Scholz. Is this a printing errort later corrected? (I've got the digipak version so obviously it was one of the first pressings of the new masters).

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Originally posted by Jaffaman:
From what I can tell without sync'ing up the different versions and playing them side by side, the multi-tracks of both songs probably had at least two tracks of lead vocal.

The original mix of Master Plan had both passes mixed together, ie double-tracked. The 2006 remix is single tracked - most likely a "comp" of the best sections of each vocal take.

The vocals on the first 30 secs of both mixes of I Don't Wanna Dance sound very similar to me. Perhaps a bit more stable in the remix, which could be due to a Pro Tools pitch-fix or tiny sections substituted from another take. Or I'm just imagining things.

So do we know definitively that ONLY Famous People uses an alternate take? Several tracks sound VERY different (even have different lengths). Of course, this could be down to remixing...