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Sacred Cow |
But I think Matt is a very good drummer, too.
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Addicted |
The drumming on that one is actually a sore point for me - I *love* that song, don't get me wrong. Sometimes, honestly, it may be my personal fave, on an album chockablock with highlights. But it drives me CRAZY how the drummer always comes in late. Even Neil comments on it at one point! It's inexcusable how the producer didn't take the problem in hand, on this one. -- > ~ Mr. Sadly knows some of our members feel rescued by the Intriguer... |
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Secret God |
I'm just on a forum responding to some posts. Frankly I'm so casual about this place I don't remember who people are half the time. Don't take anything personally! I will assert that I'm sure WHWD was arranged in the studio. The way the open high hats complement each other, and the way one drummer starts a fill and the other finishes it, would have to be a million to one "accident." I do think there's more formal "arranging" to rock songs than you suggest. Temple Of Low Men was very carefully arranged by Mitchell Froom, every keyboard riff and drum fill carefully thought out (apart from the obviously arranged horn parts). I read this in an interview with him and I think it's discussed in the book "Something So Strong" too. And Radiohead - if you've ever seen them live, they mostly stick VERY closely to how things sounded on record, at least they did with In Rainbows. Unless you're talking about a jam band or something, records are very carefully constructed and arranged...this is why bands like Radiohead spend two years on an album. I'm not real sure what we're discussing any more, but those are my thoughts... |
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Secret God |
I think that was some very intentional word-painting in the music. Kind of like how Neil starts the chorus of I Feel Possessed...after a build-up that suggests things are about to soar, Neil sings a downward-snaking melody, while commenting lyrically "I hardly know which way is up or which way down". |
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Sacred Cow |
I am not suggesting that pop songs aren't arranged. You're missing my point. I was remarking on a statement that someone made, suggesting that how the drums sounded on a record were due to how they were "arranged", as if someone had given the drummer a piece of sheet music with the exact part laid out on it. I was just saying that the drummer is probably the main person responsible for how the drums sound, so the drummer should be given proper credit for that. I have been in the studio with some pretty solid producers (with credits from Kate Bush to XTC to 10,000 Maniacs), and, while they all had comments about what we were playing, none of them EVER said, "I want you to play this, and then this, and then don't do that." Ever. I played what I wanted to play, the other guys played what they wanted to play, and the producers fine-tuned it. But the parts were still our own creation, not someone else's. And we were every bit as musically structured a pop band as CH are; we weren't Phish. That's my experience, for whatever it's worth. (Oh, and no worries, slowpogo; I just felt you were unintentionally taking what I was saying and turning it into something else. Nothing personal.)
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Loungeroom Lizard |
I had Elroy as guitar teacher last month, and I was talking to him about playing with Crowded House, and whilst he didn't say it directly, I got the feeling that he enjoyed playing with them, but he was sick of living under Neil's shadow.. He said he's looking to release an album at some point and he wants to find his own way in the music world.. but at the moment all he is doing is playing in a band and teaching kids guitar..
As for a fifth member, the only one I would really want to see would be Eddie Rayner.. He's what kept the early songs so tight. |
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That's What I Call Love |
Glen Tilbrook...
I'm a sucker for 'what if's and perhaps the pairing comes under the term of "too much of a good thing". I don't follow that kind of logic, however. _______________________ Bar the whoo-bar! |
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Addicted |
I laughed and laughed! Ahhh. Funny. It's just, can you imagine? It'd be like Keith joining the Beatles. -- > ~ Mr. Sadly knows some of our members feel rescued by the Intriguer... |
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That's What I Call Love |
Keith, who?
 You mean Jagger's offsider?Squeeze aren't really active much these days, are they? _______________________ Bar the whoo-bar! |
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That's What I Call Love |
Okay, how about that Dave Mason guy from The Reels?
_______________________ Bar the whoo-bar! |
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Addicted |
Yup! -- > ~ Mr. Sadly knows some of our members feel rescued by the Intriguer... |
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Getting Somewhere |
It wouldn't happen ... but Johnny Marr ...
Keep dreaming buddy  Love this Life ... don't wait until the next one comes. |
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Secret God |
Isn't Noel Gallagher free at the moment??!!
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Loungeroom Lizard |
I heard Greg from the Wiggles is free too..
but seriously I think Eddie Rayner would be the best for the band if Mark was dropped.. |
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Sacred Cow |
Eddie is perfect for the Enz. He may even be perfect for 1986-vintage Crowded House. But his baroque curlicues don't fit the more rootsy, guitar- and lapsteel-driven sound of 2010-vintage Crowded House. If "Little by Little" is anything to go by, does that mean we can now expect Neil to postpone the release of the band's new album, bring Sharon into the studio to record a new batch of songs co-written with her, and then insist on adding her as the new member of an enlarged Crowded House? I'm just joking of course, because nothing like that has EVER happened before. |
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Loungeroom Lizard |
Eddie is perfect for the Enz. He may even be perfect for 1986-vintage Crowded House. But his baroque curlicues don't fit the more rootsy, guitar- and lapsteel-driven sound of 2010-vintage Crowded House. QUOTE] The 1986-era Crowded House was when the music, especially the harmonies, were the tightest, and thats what gave them such an edge and got them onto the music scene: because everything fitted into place perfectly. I would suggest that this was due to Eddie Rayner's presence on the album.. May just have been Paul and Nick's better singing voices in those days though.. it's tough to know. |
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Sacred Cow |
Thank you for saying this, Watney. Eddie Rayner's playing is just too bloody showy for CH; it was in 1986, and would be even worse now. He always seemed too keen on drawing attention to himself, which was the MO for most of the guys in the Enz; CH has never had that kind of flashy, hey-look-at-me vibe. I'm also not sure how his playing could have affected the harmony vocals. (He didn't exactly play a lot on that record, and, even if he had, how exactly does his playing change the way the guys sing, especially in the studio? I don't get the connection at all.) I personally think they were just more focused on that end of things back then, more into the acoustic sets and the tightness of the vocals. |
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Sacred Cow |
Give me Mark Hart over Eddie Rayner any day of the week.Apart from the fact that mark is a great keyboard player, he is also a great guitar player.No contest.
i could start again - you can depend on it |
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That's What I Call Love |
Pffft, give me a Supergroup. Was Eddie there when they performed those superior versions of When You Come and Love You Till the Day I Die that cropped up as Woodface era B-sides? Right - Eddie's in.
Sorry Nick, you're a good base player but you can't write songs - you're out. In comes Peter O'Doherty of Dog Trumpet...former Mental. Give me one of Glen Tilbrook or Dave Mason for extra vocal and song-writing strength (If the latter can actually muster his own songs these days and is actually still kicking or in good health, I'm oblivious). Matt stays simply because I can't think of anybody else at this stage.  _______________________ Bar the whoo-bar! |
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Loungeroom Lizard |
If you're thinking about replacing Nick, I'm sure Nigel Griggs would be ok.. Or Roger Waters.. haha he writes a few songs.. |
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