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Secret God |
Listen...I have finally come over to the dark side (Tim solo) and went from not liking anything to finding I like practically everything except the later 80s stuff.
Escapade to me is an enormously guilty pleasure. It's just so...Cliff Richard !  
Thanks for that! Too funny (Yup-guilty as charged, loved IK too) TheBoxer seems to be a bit of a kingmixer...this isn't the only thread he/she has started on the offensive right off the hop |
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Martine wrote:
The conversion will possibly be slow, but I will get them there... 
I don't have a problem with how anyone presents their opinion (as long as it is not with the express intention of starting an argument, or winding people up), as long as they can back their argument, or opinion.
I'd still be interested to know why The Boxer feels this way. Why the impression that Tim craves success? What actions of Tim's would prompt this statement? In what way is his music a reflection of trying to cater to middle of the road radio audiences? And what is the definition of "middle of the road radio audience"? If by leaving the Independent label to sign with the more main-stream label is the answer, then this is more an argument about the fact that you resent Tim no longer being with an Independent Label, which on my understanding means you have an issue with labels. Presumably, if Tim were to get "dumped" from his label, you think he would have to revert to Independent? Same conclusion, it comes across as you having a hang-up about labels. I don't care if Tim signs with the Homebrand Label, as long as he continues to release music. And his music is not now, nor ever has been, a reflection of a mere label. If you think that, I think you've seriously missed the point.  Texas Rose |
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Sacred Cow |
Interesting, I think In a Minor Key is possibly my favourite, but Fraction is probably bottom of my list. As for the album as a whole, it's a bit like you've described Big Canoe and Before & After to me, I'm just as happy to skip half of it. Certainly an album I need to be in a particular mood to listen to.
This notion, however, interests me greatly. How about 2 CD & DVD set, one CD being the remaster of the original (done by none other than Mr Rayner naturally) while the other is some BJB session reworkings (perhaps with Eddie on piano or keys) the DVD being another BJB style recording of the making of, that was such great stuff! ******* Oh yeah yeah yeah you’ve got a strong mind I like to sit with you and talk for hours |
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Sacred Cow |
I love IK but I have no love for Escapade. Three songs on it is my limit. Minor Key, Made My Day and I have this terrible love for the most schmaltzyest song ever written - Not For Nothing!! (don't throw things at me, TR!! )Quite frankly, the only thing I ever thought Tim Finn craved success for was Split Enz as a whole - not for himself. He really wanted them to make it big and when asked a few years ago if he felt envy for Crowded House's success, his answer was he did, but because Split Enz never got that. every form of refuge has it's price..... |
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Secret God |
It's an interesting opinion from The Boxer, I'm not sure that I can respond to it directly, but I do suspect that Tim is really appreciative of the fact that he has had such a long term career,and is still going strong.
And obviously he'd be totally aware that he's not at such a peak in terms of sale power or crowd attraction power as he was twenty years ago. So, I would imagine that he's just enjoying the fact that he can still make music that music companies think is still valid enough to promote, that he is proud enough of to put out to market and that people still want to buy. I can't imagine he'd want to jeopardise his musical reputation at this late stage just for a few sales. |
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Loungeroom Lizard |
Haven't been on here to read much in a long while. Checked out the CH forum, saw your thread. Checked out the TF forum, saw your thread. Let me just say this: You are really, really bloody boring. |
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Addicted |
Now you're talking, J! I loved the BJB DVD with Imaginary Kingdom...that sort of thing would work a treat with Escapade. Last night I concluded that I much prefer Imaginary Kingdom to Time On Earth. Gav Obama |
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formerly known as FrenzWebmistress |
Posts here are getting reported. People, please clean it up. Read the rules.
Mutual respect means that. It means no name calling. Thanks. |
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Secret God |
Disagree
. The Boxer may be trying to get a rise out of everyone, I can't answer to that . But it's a question that is an interesting one, in my opinion, and I'm enjoying seeing what people say even if I disagree with some of the comments. Especially if I disagree - makes me think. |
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Sacred Cow |
Good conclusion there. I think there are a few of us who agree with you, also with I'll Be Lightning. Know what I find curious about this topic? The way that a good discussion has actually arisen from what started as spam. ******* Oh yeah yeah yeah you’ve got a strong mind I like to sit with you and talk for hours |
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Loungeroom Lizard |
Some of the posts Boxer made are outlandish though, I.e.
Neil can't write anymore Tim hasn't done any good albums.  |
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Secret God |
Sheer force of effort for most of us, I think! But I should speak for myself. Sheer force of effort. Also, I definitely understand and sympathize with the "don't feed the" message - I have great respect for that as a strategy, but on a board like this, I think there's a larger obligation that we have to new members and browsers - that when a risible statement is made, it is not suffered to stand unchallenged. If that happens, then it looks like consensus is OK with it. Those who may not know the habits or history of particular posters involved and who are only judging by the statement itself will have a very warped view of what passes as fact around here. But I try to take people at their word, and not consider anyone a tr*ll simply because of controversial statements. To me, to be a tr*ll a person has to take that additional step of crowing over how many responses their "discussion" has generated (as if that's something to be particularly proud of). That lets you know that their real priority is just stirring things up. But that's just a personal guideline. Your mileage may very. -- > _ |
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Secret God |
This post from me related to a post that has now been deleted, so now it looks like I'm weirdly disagreeing with DebAsWas  .I was disagreeing with the deleted post that said we should disregard The Boxer's post as s/he was just stirring, words to that effect. Just want to make that clear. Makes little sense now as it stands  .Though my point still stands that regardless of opinion about why the first post came to be, we are having a good discussion, so let's continue. For the record, much as I enjoyed parts of IK, it's not my favourite by any means, and I've not played it for quite a while. |
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mummakook wrote:
I couldn't agree more. Mr Sadly wrote:
Tim may find that as his music changes, so must his label. I don't know how an artist drives his music, in relation to the label he's signed with, but if the label is not happy with the music the artist is presenting, then I say big pat on the back when the artist chooses to look for an alternative, or independent label, but keeps the integrity of his product intact. I think that's what Tim has done, and I think you can see that from the music, and from the path his career has taken. And if I next read Camus on here completely contradicting me (backed by his usual logic and musical-knowledge), then let me say now, what I really meant by that comment was.... Having said all that, you wander into the realms of "what if", by wondering where Tim's career would have taken him, had he followed up Escapade (which whether you like it or not did put him on the map as a solo artist), with songs which would have built on his popularity, and kept the major labels interested. I still really don't like SIIS all that much, but it marked a particular phase in his life, as did Big Canoe, as did Tim Finn. I think that what came through all this in his music, and perhaps in his choices, was him as a human being. What did not come through was him trying to write music to attract major labels. This is just my opinion, and I know I'm going to have to come back and re-write it, because its not quite what I want to say. Can anyone tell me that I'm actually wanting to say? Texas Rose |
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Secret God |
I'm feelin' ya, TR! Tim's music has always had a populist, accessible appeal to it. That's something very deep within Tim, that appeals strongly to him as well - it's not a pose he adopts, or a "watered-down" attempt at chart-busting success. He goes through phases from more rough to more polished, but neither extreme is a ploy, and neither is imposed from the outside. He tries new things, and he runs with how he finds his muse expressing itself. -- > _ |
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Mr Sadly wrote:
Job well done Mr S.
This is what I wanted to say. I would have liked to have seen some of the singles from Tim Finn and Before and After achieve more wide-spread success. Just because an artist isn't "in" at a particular time, doesn't mean that their music isn't fantastic. I think a lot of people have missed out because they didn't bother to realise that. Texas Rose |
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Secret God |
You said it. And not only that, but a lot of other people miss out by knee-jerk disregard of anything they see as having "popular" appeal or being "accessible." They'll label it "sellout" - no matter how good it is, they won't give it a chance to see how good it is! They just...I guess it's that they want to be nonconformist. Well, maybe it is a bit limiting for some listeners to shackle themselves blindly to what is Pop, and disregard everything further afield. But it's certainly not liberating to shackle oneself just as blindly to whatever is not Pop - to willfully close one's ears to the beauty that is "too accessible"! -- > _ |
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That's What I Call Love |
Actually I didn't bother buying IK. Its was difficult to find and I really didn't like the songs I heard via the net. Its the 1st TF album I've never got. 'Feeding The Gods' is such a great album and the songs of IK just sounded a bit wet for me so i didn't bother. The news songs via TF's myspec don't sound that hopeful either. Tim is a great artist its just he's a bit his and miss but the hits are worth the misses
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Flower Singing Man wrote:
This is the type of comment that I actually like. Someone doesn't like the album, and can tell us why. What FSM said here sums up how I feel about Say It Is So. I've tried extremely hard to like that album, and although there are 2 or 3 tracks on it that I do like, overall its not much more than a dust collector for me. I really liked your last comment too FSM. I can't even say that I entirely agree with it, but I just liked how you put it.  Texas Rose |
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Pitied Rhino |
I waited a while to weigh in on this, but I felt that Say It is So and Feeding the Gods were two of his weakest albums. The overall songwriting seemed very underpar, and on FTG the voice actually a bit annoying.
By way of perspective, the "Tim Finn" and "Befor and AFter" albums were astounding, both in terms of soul, songwriting, vocal production, etc. Imaginary Kingdom was OK, but it really seems to me that Tim's voice has seen much, much better days and is not aging well. As such, maybe he needs to lower the tuning and start singing in a lower register. Just two cents. |
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